Des Rocs talks a lot about uncertainty. About chasing ideas that take years to fully emerge. About learning through trial and error. About feeling, at times, like he's sprinting towards a train that's never coming. Those tensions sit at the heart of To Hell and Back, released today after a creative process shaped by reinvention, physical setbacks and a refusal to compromise on instinct. We spoke with him a few days before the album's arrival and ahead of another stretch of touring.