Debt and swaps for climate and nature: innovation for resilience? full transcript Host [00:00:02] You are listening to the Make Change Happen podcast from IIED, the International Institute for Environment and Development. In this episode, host Liz Carlile, and guests from Mali, Addis Ababa and the UK discuss the current opportunity for governments to address the crisis of debt, climate and biodiversity destruction though a new use of the system for debt swaps for climate and nature.