Maya Caspari

In this interview, poet, psychologist, and educator Sanah Ahsan, and sociologist, writer, and Professor of Anti/Post/Decolonial Theory and Praxis Gargi Bhattacharyya address the violence, inequality, and waste produced by racial capitalism, while also imagining modes of living otherwise. In recent work, both writers seek to embrace, in different ways, the ‘messiness of our aliveness’ (Ahsan), refusing the idea that there can be a non-implicated ‘clean subject’ (Bhattacharrya) under capitalism.

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When we first encountered Ariella Aïsha Azoulay and Lisa Lowe’s work, we were struck by the many resonances between them. Both explore the violent effects of colonial modernity across varied global and historical contexts, arguing that the exclusionary formation of the modern subject seeks to foreclose other past, present, and future modes of being.